Hello - I completed a survey over 5 months ago , when can I expect results?
Hello - I completed a survey over 5 months ago , when can I expect results?
Hi Sally, it is going to take some time for us to get to that point. As of right now we are still collecting samples and most importantly determining the best method to run the samples through. We have already determined that our previous method did not give us the sufficient data that we were looking for. It is our goal to give you and other participants as much data as possible, and that is why right now we are looking into low-coverage sequencing as a new method to assess the samples.
Research takes a lot of time, trial and error as well as patience. I wish we could provide a more specific timeline for when results will be ready, but as of right now we cannot. In the mean time, you can stay connected and updated by our social media platforms located at the bottom of this page, as well as fill out new behavior surveys, coming out each month (see our Monthly Pupdate). We thank you for your participation and support of canine research!
I'm sure you folks are swamped with samples........ I sent ours back June 2016 and it still says NOT YET GENOTYPED. Very anxious to see what our pup is made up from.... :)
Thank you! Kelly & PD
Yes we certainly do have thousands of samples, which is a wonderful! As mentioned in my post above it will take time to get through these samples and to assess the data. Predicting a timeline of when results will be available is difficult right now. Also, I do want to remind you that this study is focusing on finding correlations between canine genetics and behavior and is not a breed test. If the data does show ancestry of the dog, then we definitely will provide that in the results! Only the data will tell!
We thank you for your support and patience! :)
I must say that I am quite disappointed with the slowness of your DNA processing. Your team offered people DNA analysis in return for saliva samples of their dog. I and others did our side in the agreement, but half a year later it does not seem that you are doing the same. A promise is a promise, and a fair exchange is a fair exchange. If you expect your DNA analyses to be ready in year or two, then fairness requires that you declare the time table in advance, and also send everybody an apology e-mail with an estimated time schedule.
May I suggest that you take into consideration your donors' expectations and feelings. Your scientific study, as important as it may be, is not everything - there is also the question of fairness and people's frustration.
Thank you, Ran.
kit received Nov 28th 2016; not yet genotyped
We received genotyping results for our dog from Mars Wisdom Kit. I'll email the file to you. Thanks, Laurel
I have completed all the surveys for my two dogs including the recent allergy survey. My geriatric dog is beginning to exhibit signs of dementia and was recently diagnosed with early kidney disease.
Does Darwin's Dogs want this information and, if so, how are we to provide it?
Is there/will there be a mechanism to prioritize completing the analysis for participants that encounter medical and/or behavioral issues during the process?
I would greatly appreciate if my aging dog Rudy's results were available to me as the information may be helpful in determining the best course of treatment for him and I, unfortunately, do not have the financial means to do sequencing.
Thank you for your help. Jamie & Rudy :)
Jamie, first I want to say thank you for completing the surveys and that my heart goes out to your dog! We do have your dogs DNA and there is a way for us to prioritize dogs, which I have done so with Rudy. We are trying our best to move this research along, but we want to do it the right way as science really cannot be rushed. I wish I could provide more information for you Jamie in order to help with your aging dog.
With that said, I want to touch upon the previous comments and remind our participants that we are conducting research, not business. Our participants are having their dog's DNA assessed for free off of our grants, where funding is limited. That is one reason it is taking a while. We are just as eagar as all of our participants to get the results.
Right now we are working on the methods to assessing these DNA samples, determining which will provided us with the most valuable information to compare behavior and genetics.
Thank you, Brittney, for your understanding, compassion and prompt response.
In no way was I complaining, I was merely inquiring. I understand science and its processes (I did behavioral based rat research as an undergrad). However, many do not and, as a result, become, understandably, frustrated. One must then take a deep breath and attempt different ways to explain (sigh).
Cognitive dysfunction and decline expresses behaviorally and physically and Darwin's Dogs is examining genetics and behavior. If there is anyway my dog(s) and I can be of additional assistance in the excellent, hard work that Darwin's Dogs is engaged in, please let me know.
Thank you for the opportunity to participate in Darwin's Dogs research. Your dedication and hard work is important and appreciated.
And I apologize, I don't think I really answered you original question. As of right now, we do not have a way to include extra health information about your dog, but new surveys are coming out each month focusing on various topics (right now allergy surveys). We may in the future ask for specific health information, but that will most likely be when we dig deeper into the results. For now please keep an eye on our surveys to provide us with your dogs information, thank you!
You should stop accepting samples. The backlog is massive. I understand your constraints but I also agree with Ran. We shouldn't have to wait this long. I'll check back in December 2017.
To clarify a few points that seem to be confused above - we do intend to get a sampling kit out to everyone who completes the surveys and provides a mailing address. We have occasionally had a backlog at this stage as it takes time to get new kits made - but we do catch up on the backlogs when our supplies are restocked. Randy, it looks like you received your kit within a couple weeks of when you signed your dog up - so you didn't experience any backlog for receiving a sampling kit.
As for data, we have never claimed we'd be able to process every dog's DNA. We'd love to, and that is a long term goal, but it has never been a claim (or promise) that we've made. From the first entry in our FAQ:
Each dog is eligible for a saliva kit once 100 questions have been completed for that dog. We cannot guarantee that every recipient of a saliva kit will have their dog's DNA analyzed.
We've also been clear about this in our media coverage. For example see my article in the IAABC journal:
Once we can pull patterns out of the behavior surveys, we can select dogs that all tend to show a behavior of interest and compare their DNA to dogs that don’t.
We have received a lot of additional media coverage, especially in social media which is great - but occasionally I do see people posting on social media making inaccurate claims about our project. We try to correct these when we can, but there is a lot that we just never see.
Ran, while I do absolutely empathize with wanting results faster (we want them too!) I must disagree: the scientific study is everything. That is the sole purpose of this website and project. We all come together here to contribute to our understanding of dog behavior and genetics for the sole purpose of helping future generations of our four-legged friends. In addition to this, we do hope to give something back to each of you for your contributions of time filling out the surveys. We continue to brainstorm ways we can make this a valuable experience for each of you. however, if you came here looking to get something from us rather than to give something to help dogs, then you have been misled.
I do like that under the surveys you have suggested activities. One dog you got spot-on with the suggestions. The other, I'd take the 5 paws away from one activity and put them on one that has none. But even still it is full of advice and links to things we can do with our dogs, and we all might enjoy as a dog / human teams.
"I must say that I am quite disappointed with the slowness of your DNA processing. Your team offered people DNA analysis in return for saliva samples of their dog. I and others did our side in the agreement, but half a year later it does not seem that you are doing the same. A promise is a promise,"
We were not promised anything. The whole point of this study is learn more about dogs so that we can help them. We didn't pay anything and they've been very upfront that this will take time and not every participant will get something in return. If you want a breed ancestry report in two weeks flat, then drop the $80 on a wisdom panel kit.
I like Embark for DNA as well. a bit more expensive but you get so much information!
it's hard to be patient sometimes. But I am doing my best because I feel the information gained, whether my dogs are chosen or not for in depth study, knowledge takes time. I hope my dogs get their DNA genotyped. My dogs are mutts. Though I think I know which cross breeds they are, one can't really know anything other than what I was told. As two of my dogs are rescues, I only have my best guess. I was told Rikki was Chihuahua and Bichon, though I see no chihuahua in him at all. The only one I am certain of is Drago. One parent was Ridgback, the other Lab. But again, that is to the best of the knowledge of the breeder. More important to me than "what are they" is the question of any unforeseen health issues that might show up in their samples. I do a lot of reading on your study in other media sources. I think you are doing a find job. I have read very positive things. I will continue to patiently wait for any info, I will also keep checking in to see if you have uploaded any new survey questions. It is the science that is important, not just for dogs, but for humans, as well. Good science takes time. Time I have to wait and continue to learn about my own "four legged furry kids".
If the results are completed and the results came back, where exactly would one see that information? I don't even see where it may say "Not yet Geonotype"
Hi Cindy, when results are ready we will upload your dogs personal data to their profile in the tab labeled "personalized feedback". I have checked your information, and we do have your dogs swab. In this personalized feedback tab, your should see the barcode of your dogs kit as well as the status, which is Not yet Genotyped.
We thank you for your participation and patience!
Debbie, thank you for the kind words. We too are very excited to see what the data has to tell us! Thank you as well for your participation and patience!
It has been so long since we submitted our sample that I don't even remember when it was and we have not heard a word. What's more frustrating is that when I return to the site periodically to check on the status of our dog's sample, I can never find the status update section (i.e. has our dog been genotyped?). Can you please 1) tell me how to check the status of our dog's sample, and 2) make that more prominent on your website after someone has logged in, so that I don't have to spend time looking for it every 6 months? Thank you.
I am also disappointed and feel a bit duped. I understand that this is "research and not a business", but you did receive grants to pay your expenses. I submitted my DNA kits, probably a year ago. Since then, one of my dogs has passed away. If I had known you were not going to live up to your promise ( and yes, I believe it was a promise, even though you hid the part about not testing every dog in the fine print), then I would have ordered a kit on amazon. My mother also took part in this, and her dog has passed as well. Thanks for nothing. I will not be taking part in any more surveys.
Hi Robert, we encourage you to look at out our monthly Pupdate, much of the information you are asking for will be there when data is available. As for now, you can view the statues of your dogs sample in the tab "personalized feedback". Thank you for your patience and participation.
One of my dog's unexpectedly passed in March and it would have been great to know his DNA results prior to this. Perhaps we could have foreseen his problem if we had some information on diseases prone to his breed. It has been a very long time since we did the DNA test and am still hoping to get my deceased dog's results so we can once and for all know what his genetic makeup was.
Lisa and Cheryl, we are so sorry to hear of your dogs passing. As Cheryl did mention, this is research, and it cannot be rushed along. We are working hard to produce as much valuable and meaningful data as we can. This means that we must run various test and then assess the data in order to determine the best method. Also, not to mention it takes money to do all of this, slowing the process more. Again, our condolences to both of you, but we thank you for your dogs contribution to canine behavior and genetics research.
I think people need to remember that this is a scientific study. It is not a means of getting your dog's dna tested for free. I entered this study because I believe in the importance of furthering our knowledge. I lost two miniature schnauzers before their time due to insulin dependent diabetes. Also one had gone blind and the other had severe liver problems. What I would give to still have those girls with me. Through the work being done in this study maybe that can be possible next time. Right now my dog is a puppy and healthy. I'm counting on people like these scientists to do the work to make sure my new girl stays healthy and happy for as long as possible. While it would be nice to know what health issues we might have in the future, I don't need to know. I've done my homework; I know mini schnauzers as well as any breeder and I have the best vet in the world. So we're all good here and happy to do our part for the greater good.
Hi! I have 2 dogs from the same litter and wondered if the DNA behavior results would be of interest...one we raised from an 8 week pup and one came to live with us at 4 1/2 years old. Would you expect to see results similar to dogs not related as they were raised differently?
Thanks in advance, Nikki
*One dog's saliva test was sent in Nov, 2016 & the other is waiting for the saliva test to be sent.
Hi Nikki, what beautiful dogs they are! I have checked your profile and the other dog is all set receive the kit, but we are a bit backed up right now as we are awaiting our next large shipment of kits to arrive at our other institute, the Broad.
We would expect genetic data to look similar as the two dogs are siblings. As for behavior, a pups early experiences and environment can play a huge role in behavior and development. It will be very interesting to look into the behavior and genetic data of your two dogs! Looking forward to it!
Thank you Julie! I found out about Darwin's Dogs through a citizen scientists website. If I get results that is just a plus on my end! This study has always been an interest of mine as I do obedience training. Interested to complete the study but I don't mind the wait! Especially the allergy studies! Allergies seem to be on the rise!
I love your portrait photo Stephanie. so cool.
I am looking forward to the findings, not so much for my particular dogs, but because there is so much debate over Nature / Nurture. People who work their dogs or are involved in sports and competition often side on the Nature side being a huge influence over behavior. People with couch potato pets tend to lean on the Nurture side being the largest influence of behavior. (OK, huge generalization here). I figure the more we understand about how other creatures tick, the better for all of us.
For the owners who want your DNA tests to tell them what's wrong with their dogs, I have one piece of advice: TAKE IT TO A VET. If you don't want to spend the money for that, maybe you should consider if you should own a dog at all. Complaining to a scientific survey about things you should be taking care of for your pet is irresponsible. Scientific research studies take years, if not decades. It isn't a reality show that gets wrapped up in 13 weeks. Get real.
I understand that the research is the important part for us all and that my dog is actually just a small part of the whole project. Having a dog from the shelter where I really can't be sure of his origins or even his age, I do tend to get anxious for some results. However, I love science and understand that it takes time. It is much greater than me finding out the answer to people who ask, "What is it?" The answer is that he's my dog, and we love him. Which brings me to a question that perhaps belongs in a different forum. Is there any way that individuals or businesses can donate to a foundation or grant funding this project?
I received the DNA kit for Rialto and am very excited to send it in the mail tomorrow morning. From reading some of the posts above, it looks like you don't test all of them? Is that true? I think Rialto could be a Carolina Dog, or America Dingo, but we really want to know for sure. Can you please let me know if we will get the results? If so will we get them online, on the web site? OR in the mail? I am really hoping we will get the result soon. Thank you.
Al and Karolyn, thank you for understanding that we are a research group! We hope in the near future that we can have the project set up so people can donate, but right now there are politics that we are trying to sift through. We will get there one day, and when we do, people that donate will have their dogs be prioritized to be sequenced.
For now, as Charamaine asked, we do have a method to picking samples to be sequenced. Since we now have close to 14,000 dogs enrolled we need to prioritize samples that will help us towards our goal of finding correlations between behavior and genetics. We have a systematic, yet random method of choosing samples. First, we have specific grant funded projects focusing on food allergies, obesity and more. People that have filled out the surveys for these topics will be prioritized as there dogs are at the extreme tail of these categories. On the other hand, we need control samples (dogs that are not impacted by allergies or obesity) and that is where some of the randomization comes in when picking samples to run. We need all samples on the spectrum, so we can have diversity in our study. Of course the grant funded projects/topics are not all that we are looking for. We want dogs that have unique behavioral traits to compare their genetics data to, which is the big picture of this research. Other dogs that are prioritized to be sequenced are Dogs of the Month, and as mentioned before once we can have donations, those dogs will too be prioritized for sequencing.
I hope this answers some questions about how we chose which dogs will be sequence. As you can see there is a system, but at the same time it can be quite random! As for the results, we plan to upload them to your Darwin's Dogs profile when ready!