Hello - I completed a survey over 5 months ago , when can I expect results?
Hello - I completed a survey over 5 months ago , when can I expect results?
Hi Sally, it is going to take some time for us to get to that point. As of right now we are still collecting samples and most importantly determining the best method to run the samples through. We have already determined that our previous method did not give us the sufficient data that we were looking for. It is our goal to give you and other participants as much data as possible, and that is why right now we are looking into low-coverage sequencing as a new method to assess the samples.
Research takes a lot of time, trial and error as well as patience. I wish we could provide a more specific timeline for when results will be ready, but as of right now we cannot. In the mean time, you can stay connected and updated by our social media platforms located at the bottom of this page, as well as fill out new behavior surveys, coming out each month (see our Monthly Pupdate). We thank you for your participation and support of canine research!
I'm sure you folks are swamped with samples........ I sent ours back June 2016 and it still says NOT YET GENOTYPED. Very anxious to see what our pup is made up from.... :)
Thank you! Kelly & PD
Yes we certainly do have thousands of samples, which is a wonderful! As mentioned in my post above it will take time to get through these samples and to assess the data. Predicting a timeline of when results will be available is difficult right now. Also, I do want to remind you that this study is focusing on finding correlations between canine genetics and behavior and is not a breed test. If the data does show ancestry of the dog, then we definitely will provide that in the results! Only the data will tell!
We thank you for your support and patience! :)
I must say that I am quite disappointed with the slowness of your DNA processing. Your team offered people DNA analysis in return for saliva samples of their dog. I and others did our side in the agreement, but half a year later it does not seem that you are doing the same. A promise is a promise, and a fair exchange is a fair exchange. If you expect your DNA analyses to be ready in year or two, then fairness requires that you declare the time table in advance, and also send everybody an apology e-mail with an estimated time schedule.
May I suggest that you take into consideration your donors' expectations and feelings. Your scientific study, as important as it may be, is not everything - there is also the question of fairness and people's frustration.
Thank you, Ran.
kit received Nov 28th 2016; not yet genotyped
We received genotyping results for our dog from Mars Wisdom Kit. I'll email the file to you. Thanks, Laurel
I have completed all the surveys for my two dogs including the recent allergy survey. My geriatric dog is beginning to exhibit signs of dementia and was recently diagnosed with early kidney disease.
Does Darwin's Dogs want this information and, if so, how are we to provide it?
Is there/will there be a mechanism to prioritize completing the analysis for participants that encounter medical and/or behavioral issues during the process?
I would greatly appreciate if my aging dog Rudy's results were available to me as the information may be helpful in determining the best course of treatment for him and I, unfortunately, do not have the financial means to do sequencing.
Thank you for your help. Jamie & Rudy :)
Jamie, first I want to say thank you for completing the surveys and that my heart goes out to your dog! We do have your dogs DNA and there is a way for us to prioritize dogs, which I have done so with Rudy. We are trying our best to move this research along, but we want to do it the right way as science really cannot be rushed. I wish I could provide more information for you Jamie in order to help with your aging dog.
With that said, I want to touch upon the previous comments and remind our participants that we are conducting research, not business. Our participants are having their dog's DNA assessed for free off of our grants, where funding is limited. That is one reason it is taking a while. We are just as eagar as all of our participants to get the results.
Right now we are working on the methods to assessing these DNA samples, determining which will provided us with the most valuable information to compare behavior and genetics.
Thank you, Brittney, for your understanding, compassion and prompt response.
In no way was I complaining, I was merely inquiring. I understand science and its processes (I did behavioral based rat research as an undergrad). However, many do not and, as a result, become, understandably, frustrated. One must then take a deep breath and attempt different ways to explain (sigh).
Cognitive dysfunction and decline expresses behaviorally and physically and Darwin's Dogs is examining genetics and behavior. If there is anyway my dog(s) and I can be of additional assistance in the excellent, hard work that Darwin's Dogs is engaged in, please let me know.
Thank you for the opportunity to participate in Darwin's Dogs research. Your dedication and hard work is important and appreciated.
And I apologize, I don't think I really answered you original question. As of right now, we do not have a way to include extra health information about your dog, but new surveys are coming out each month focusing on various topics (right now allergy surveys). We may in the future ask for specific health information, but that will most likely be when we dig deeper into the results. For now please keep an eye on our surveys to provide us with your dogs information, thank you!
You should stop accepting samples. The backlog is massive. I understand your constraints but I also agree with Ran. We shouldn't have to wait this long. I'll check back in December 2017.
To clarify a few points that seem to be confused above - we do intend to get a sampling kit out to everyone who completes the surveys and provides a mailing address. We have occasionally had a backlog at this stage as it takes time to get new kits made - but we do catch up on the backlogs when our supplies are restocked. Randy, it looks like you received your kit within a couple weeks of when you signed your dog up - so you didn't experience any backlog for receiving a sampling kit.
As for data, we have never claimed we'd be able to process every dog's DNA. We'd love to, and that is a long term goal, but it has never been a claim (or promise) that we've made. From the first entry in our FAQ:
Each dog is eligible for a saliva kit once 100 questions have been completed for that dog. We cannot guarantee that every recipient of a saliva kit will have their dog's DNA analyzed.
We've also been clear about this in our media coverage. For example see my article in the IAABC journal:
Once we can pull patterns out of the behavior surveys, we can select dogs that all tend to show a behavior of interest and compare their DNA to dogs that don’t.
We have received a lot of additional media coverage, especially in social media which is great - but occasionally I do see people posting on social media making inaccurate claims about our project. We try to correct these when we can, but there is a lot that we just never see.
Ran, while I do absolutely empathize with wanting results faster (we want them too!) I must disagree: the scientific study is everything. That is the sole purpose of this website and project. We all come together here to contribute to our understanding of dog behavior and genetics for the sole purpose of helping future generations of our four-legged friends. In addition to this, we do hope to give something back to each of you for your contributions of time filling out the surveys. We continue to brainstorm ways we can make this a valuable experience for each of you. however, if you came here looking to get something from us rather than to give something to help dogs, then you have been misled.
I do like that under the surveys you have suggested activities. One dog you got spot-on with the suggestions. The other, I'd take the 5 paws away from one activity and put them on one that has none. But even still it is full of advice and links to things we can do with our dogs, and we all might enjoy as a dog / human teams.
"I must say that I am quite disappointed with the slowness of your DNA processing. Your team offered people DNA analysis in return for saliva samples of their dog. I and others did our side in the agreement, but half a year later it does not seem that you are doing the same. A promise is a promise,"
We were not promised anything. The whole point of this study is learn more about dogs so that we can help them. We didn't pay anything and they've been very upfront that this will take time and not every participant will get something in return. If you want a breed ancestry report in two weeks flat, then drop the $80 on a wisdom panel kit.
I like Embark for DNA as well. a bit more expensive but you get so much information!
it's hard to be patient sometimes. But I am doing my best because I feel the information gained, whether my dogs are chosen or not for in depth study, knowledge takes time. I hope my dogs get their DNA genotyped. My dogs are mutts. Though I think I know which cross breeds they are, one can't really know anything other than what I was told. As two of my dogs are rescues, I only have my best guess. I was told Rikki was Chihuahua and Bichon, though I see no chihuahua in him at all. The only one I am certain of is Drago. One parent was Ridgback, the other Lab. But again, that is to the best of the knowledge of the breeder. More important to me than "what are they" is the question of any unforeseen health issues that might show up in their samples. I do a lot of reading on your study in other media sources. I think you are doing a find job. I have read very positive things. I will continue to patiently wait for any info, I will also keep checking in to see if you have uploaded any new survey questions. It is the science that is important, not just for dogs, but for humans, as well. Good science takes time. Time I have to wait and continue to learn about my own "four legged furry kids".
If the results are completed and the results came back, where exactly would one see that information? I don't even see where it may say "Not yet Geonotype"
Hi Cindy, when results are ready we will upload your dogs personal data to their profile in the tab labeled "personalized feedback". I have checked your information, and we do have your dogs swab. In this personalized feedback tab, your should see the barcode of your dogs kit as well as the status, which is Not yet Genotyped.
We thank you for your participation and patience!
Debbie, thank you for the kind words. We too are very excited to see what the data has to tell us! Thank you as well for your participation and patience!
It has been so long since we submitted our sample that I don't even remember when it was and we have not heard a word. What's more frustrating is that when I return to the site periodically to check on the status of our dog's sample, I can never find the status update section (i.e. has our dog been genotyped?). Can you please 1) tell me how to check the status of our dog's sample, and 2) make that more prominent on your website after someone has logged in, so that I don't have to spend time looking for it every 6 months? Thank you.
I am also disappointed and feel a bit duped. I understand that this is "research and not a business", but you did receive grants to pay your expenses. I submitted my DNA kits, probably a year ago. Since then, one of my dogs has passed away. If I had known you were not going to live up to your promise ( and yes, I believe it was a promise, even though you hid the part about not testing every dog in the fine print), then I would have ordered a kit on amazon. My mother also took part in this, and her dog has passed as well. Thanks for nothing. I will not be taking part in any more surveys.
Hi Robert, we encourage you to look at out our monthly Pupdate, much of the information you are asking for will be there when data is available. As for now, you can view the statues of your dogs sample in the tab "personalized feedback". Thank you for your patience and participation.
One of my dog's unexpectedly passed in March and it would have been great to know his DNA results prior to this. Perhaps we could have foreseen his problem if we had some information on diseases prone to his breed. It has been a very long time since we did the DNA test and am still hoping to get my deceased dog's results so we can once and for all know what his genetic makeup was.
Lisa and Cheryl, we are so sorry to hear of your dogs passing. As Cheryl did mention, this is research, and it cannot be rushed along. We are working hard to produce as much valuable and meaningful data as we can. This means that we must run various test and then assess the data in order to determine the best method. Also, not to mention it takes money to do all of this, slowing the process more. Again, our condolences to both of you, but we thank you for your dogs contribution to canine behavior and genetics research.
I think people need to remember that this is a scientific study. It is not a means of getting your dog's dna tested for free. I entered this study because I believe in the importance of furthering our knowledge. I lost two miniature schnauzers before their time due to insulin dependent diabetes. Also one had gone blind and the other had severe liver problems. What I would give to still have those girls with me. Through the work being done in this study maybe that can be possible next time. Right now my dog is a puppy and healthy. I'm counting on people like these scientists to do the work to make sure my new girl stays healthy and happy for as long as possible. While it would be nice to know what health issues we might have in the future, I don't need to know. I've done my homework; I know mini schnauzers as well as any breeder and I have the best vet in the world. So we're all good here and happy to do our part for the greater good.
Hi! I have 2 dogs from the same litter and wondered if the DNA behavior results would be of interest...one we raised from an 8 week pup and one came to live with us at 4 1/2 years old. Would you expect to see results similar to dogs not related as they were raised differently?
Thanks in advance, Nikki
*One dog's saliva test was sent in Nov, 2016 & the other is waiting for the saliva test to be sent.
Hi Nikki, what beautiful dogs they are! I have checked your profile and the other dog is all set receive the kit, but we are a bit backed up right now as we are awaiting our next large shipment of kits to arrive at our other institute, the Broad.
We would expect genetic data to look similar as the two dogs are siblings. As for behavior, a pups early experiences and environment can play a huge role in behavior and development. It will be very interesting to look into the behavior and genetic data of your two dogs! Looking forward to it!
Thank you Julie! I found out about Darwin's Dogs through a citizen scientists website. If I get results that is just a plus on my end! This study has always been an interest of mine as I do obedience training. Interested to complete the study but I don't mind the wait! Especially the allergy studies! Allergies seem to be on the rise!
I love your portrait photo Stephanie. so cool.
I am looking forward to the findings, not so much for my particular dogs, but because there is so much debate over Nature / Nurture. People who work their dogs or are involved in sports and competition often side on the Nature side being a huge influence over behavior. People with couch potato pets tend to lean on the Nurture side being the largest influence of behavior. (OK, huge generalization here). I figure the more we understand about how other creatures tick, the better for all of us.
For the owners who want your DNA tests to tell them what's wrong with their dogs, I have one piece of advice: TAKE IT TO A VET. If you don't want to spend the money for that, maybe you should consider if you should own a dog at all. Complaining to a scientific survey about things you should be taking care of for your pet is irresponsible. Scientific research studies take years, if not decades. It isn't a reality show that gets wrapped up in 13 weeks. Get real.
I understand that the research is the important part for us all and that my dog is actually just a small part of the whole project. Having a dog from the shelter where I really can't be sure of his origins or even his age, I do tend to get anxious for some results. However, I love science and understand that it takes time. It is much greater than me finding out the answer to people who ask, "What is it?" The answer is that he's my dog, and we love him. Which brings me to a question that perhaps belongs in a different forum. Is there any way that individuals or businesses can donate to a foundation or grant funding this project?
I received the DNA kit for Rialto and am very excited to send it in the mail tomorrow morning. From reading some of the posts above, it looks like you don't test all of them? Is that true? I think Rialto could be a Carolina Dog, or America Dingo, but we really want to know for sure. Can you please let me know if we will get the results? If so will we get them online, on the web site? OR in the mail? I am really hoping we will get the result soon. Thank you.
Al and Karolyn, thank you for understanding that we are a research group! We hope in the near future that we can have the project set up so people can donate, but right now there are politics that we are trying to sift through. We will get there one day, and when we do, people that donate will have their dogs be prioritized to be sequenced.
For now, as Charamaine asked, we do have a method to picking samples to be sequenced. Since we now have close to 14,000 dogs enrolled we need to prioritize samples that will help us towards our goal of finding correlations between behavior and genetics. We have a systematic, yet random method of choosing samples. First, we have specific grant funded projects focusing on food allergies, obesity and more. People that have filled out the surveys for these topics will be prioritized as there dogs are at the extreme tail of these categories. On the other hand, we need control samples (dogs that are not impacted by allergies or obesity) and that is where some of the randomization comes in when picking samples to run. We need all samples on the spectrum, so we can have diversity in our study. Of course the grant funded projects/topics are not all that we are looking for. We want dogs that have unique behavioral traits to compare their genetics data to, which is the big picture of this research. Other dogs that are prioritized to be sequenced are Dogs of the Month, and as mentioned before once we can have donations, those dogs will too be prioritized for sequencing.
I hope this answers some questions about how we chose which dogs will be sequence. As you can see there is a system, but at the same time it can be quite random! As for the results, we plan to upload them to your Darwin's Dogs profile when ready!
I'm very disappointed as well. I found out about this in September of 2015. I received and sent my DNA kit in around May of 2016. The date in my profile says November 2016. It has been two years since I started in this. Had I known this was going to take years I probably wouldn't have participated. I just want to add that I'm not trying to complain and very much understand that research studies take time. But hope you can also understand the frustration coming from some of us who have already been apart of this for years and counting.
Ugh, nothing was hidden in fine print. Brittany and the others have been upfront about the nature of this study.
There is no reason to be frustrated. You filled out some surveys and swabbed your dog's mouth for a university study. What did you expect? There were never any guarantees or promises made.
If testing your dog's ancestry or health is that important then pay for it! Don't fill out some surveys and then complain that Brittany and co aren't working on your schedule.
And you know if they rushed this project and gave data that was vague or inaccurate everyone would complain that they didn't take their time.
Thank you for responding Brittney. I understand the process and have already filled out all the questionnaires, including those regarding food, eating and allergies. We received and sent the kit for Rialto, but did not receive a kit for Dylan. Was one sent for him? He is a pure Golden Retriever, so I understand why you might not send it for him. But I really hope we get the results back for Rialto because he is a very interesting dog my son rescued off the street. He is not treat motivated, unlike any dog we've ever had. He walks away from meals, again, unlike any dog we've ever known. He hunts constantly, and has a very impulsive personality. He tries to climb trees after birds. He is extremely affectionate inside the house, and very independent out in the yard or on a walk. He has never had a reaction to anything he eats, but he has turned down many a treat and meal. He eats when he is hungry and nothing will make him eat if he isn't hungry. He is extremely agile and strong for his thin structure. I think he would be an excellent candidate for research. Although Dylan is a pure bred, according to papers, one vet said he may not be. He has allergies to salmon. He gets bad stomach problems when he eats salmon. We feed him holistic select dry food with pro biotics now. Thank you again.
Kate, who said anything about guarantees and promises? Im pretty sure that we are all aware that we can pay for our pets ancestry, this study isn't even going to give us that info. Nobody mentioned anything about rushing it either. But perhaps it could've been noted that it could take years or even noted that particular samples were going to take priority. People are allowed to be frustrated after years of waiting. We aren't insulting them just sharing our thoughts. If you aren't frustrated that's great, good for you. There are plenty of things that don't frustrate me that do others. I'm not telling them they're wrong for feeling how they do. We are all able to have our own thoughts, opinions and feelings. If others feeling different then you and sharing that bothers you that much then don't read it or click out.
Lets all keep in mind that tone is easily lost in online text-only interactions. Hindsight is 20/20 and if we were starting this project again with a huge support team we may have been able to communicate the timelines and goals to you all more efficiently. But the reality is this project started with just me and Elinor. We contracted bits and peices to a graphic designer, but for the most part all the tasks of building/maintaining the web server, website, database, and surveys along with the literature reviews to identify effective survey questions, the grant writing to get funding to keep this going, assessment of different DNA isolation and analysis methods, interaction with suppliers/ordering, and attending dog festivals for recruitment ... all that was divided between just me and Elinor at the start.
We were very happy to have Brittney and Michele join our team about a year in and since then our team has grown a good bit with many colleagues contributing bits of their time to this project. But this remains a crazy rollercoaster ride with far more participation from all of you than we we ever imagined. If we were to go back and design this project to give you each the attention and feedback you really deserve for your participation, we would have had to hire a huge team of experts in public relations, web/software development, administration, etc - but then we'd not have any money to do the actual science. So as it is we're a small handful of scientists scraping by as best we can as jacks-of-all-trades - we're pretty darn good at the science, as for everything else we just manage to get by .
So I can absolutely understand the frustration. I can understand impatience. We're impatient too. We want to solve some mysteries of behavior and genetics - and we're well on our way to doing so. But boy it can feel like ages getting there. So frustration I get. But I'd rather vent it as hope: there is so much potential here and so much on the horizon. Expressing hope for where we are going can encourage each of us in our role: me in my data analyses, Brittney and Michele in their communication with all of you, each of you in your persistence in filling out ever more surveys.
Thank you for that information, Jesse. I'm hopeful you will get the scientific answers you seek, and that we will find out where our dog, Rialto, comes from. He may be one of the "American Dingos" otherwise called Carolina Dogs, which would make him one of the original dogs, unchanged by human interference in breeding, if so.
I just wanted to say thank you for your work and your important research. I never expected anything in return and found your informed consent documents to be clear and accurate.
Keep up the great work for canines and all living creatures! I'm happy my three mutts could be of service to you in your research.
I am here to say thank you for including my dog Koko in your research. We care very much about this - anything to help other dogs and understand their genetics must be important. I find the surveys fun. You must get all sorts of funny stories. I hope you enjoy mine.
we did get our DNA kit and I think on Koko's profile it said received by you. I am not upset if I don't get results back - do what you need to do - but I do have a few questions. If I got a DNA test does that mean that I will get results? If so, does that mean I just need to keep checking back on the feedback section of Koko's profile? I was reading that you were looking for the best method to get the DNA analyzed- have you found that method yet? I do believe I did the test correctly - but if I screwed it up - would I get another test? I hope it's ok. I am sure you all must be very busy - what a fun job you all have - but I am sure that you don't get to as much as you would like to. but - its all been fun for us:) Thank you.
One last thought - it would not hurt to send out email when you have another survey for us to complete - I did not know there were three more except I was on your website checking for test results, but even without DNA test - happy to complete surveys:)
Thank you Aimee and Elise for the kind words of support!
Elise, those are all great questions. We have thousands of samples now and of course are still in the collection process. I don't want to put a damper on your hopes of receiving data back, but it all depends upon what we are looking for and as I have mentioned in previous posts it is also a bit random when picking samples. We need to have both ends of the spectrum depending upon what we are looking into. If you get a DNA kit, which our goal is to get one out to every participant that is eligible, that does not exactly guarantee that you will receive the results. Here is a link to our FAQ page, where I think you will find many of your answers! :)
As for messing up the samples, we ask that you please email us directly with the details to how it was messed up and the samples current status. From there we will make the decision if we send a new one. Lastly, we do send out emails to our participants- The Monthly Pupdate. Participants can opt out of the emails though, which I see in your profile that you did opt out to receive them. I would check on your profile again if you would like to receive them!
my results recently changed to "November 2nd 2016 UMassMed". What does this mean? Thank you.
same question as Robyn. it appears the samples from my 4 dogs has changed as well. Does this mean that this kits are in line to be tested? I noticed some at UMassMed, and others other places. meaning?
Robyn & Debbie, I hope to get some better information on that change to the feedback section soon. For now you see the other forum discussion here.
All kits should go through "mailer box in transit" and "UMassMed". Some then go through "VHL" or "Broad" and there will gradually be more locations added to the list. If your sample is ever listed in a location of "data" that means we have the results of the genetic analyses (at least in a raw data form).
That addition to the feedback section was to increase transparency on where your dog's samples are by basically giving a quick summary of what is in our sample tracking system for your dog's sample. This system was relatively recently put in place, so some existing samples may skip the first steps in the normal sequence, but this sequence will generally be:
Note: some dogs are being genotyped. A single dog's genotyping data in isolation would not be meaningful to most dog owners, but could be useful to those with a genetic or medical background. However we may now be going to low-coverage sequencing for many of the dogs which offers much greater power for analyses when many dogs' samples are analyzed together. In contrast to genotyping results though, a single dog's low-coverage sequence data would be little more than gibberish even to those with a good background working with genetic data. These low-coverage data only have meaning in the context of many other dogs' data. We will provide data back to you in useful forms as soon as we can turn the raw data into useful summaries but the raw data itself may be of little use to you.
Than you Jesse for the update on tracking where our pups' data is in the winding road of scientific discovery. I did have two questions however:
One of my dogs has two locations for his sample, while the other only has a single location (which is not UMass) and I was just wondering if you could clarify how the new system works: whether the location shown is where the sample is currently (and if that's the case, if the dog with two locations displayed is just a glitch in the (new) system, or if his sample had been split with part of it being sent on for testing) or whether it displays only one location (the current one)?
Lastly, I was wondering if down the road, it would be possible to know which studies/analysis our pup's DNA was used for? I think it would be neat, out of personal interest, but I also understand that there may be logistical and/or blinding/privacy issues that prevent such a disclosure.
Hi, I was at the Somerville Dog Festival and had my dog swabbed. It was stated clearly that we would get DNA results but that it could take a few months. From what I have read, people had their dog swabbed for DNA over a year ago and do not have any results yet. I suggest that if you do something in the future, you clearly state that
1) the main purpose of the DNA swabbing is for your research 2) you are still awaiting funding for part of the project (that is what someone told me at the end when I asked) 3) not all dog will be tested for kind of dog with the results sent to the owner.
I understand why a number of people are disappointed. I'm sure your research is valuable, and I am not disappointed that I participated, but it is best to be clear in your advertising/publicity.
There may be many locations for a sample. If it's working properly it should show a date for each location, so it's a bit like a postal system package tracking: you should be able to see where it was at various times/checkpoints. We are still building out the system to have better precision and/or resolution (i.e., ensuring scans are entered at each location).
As for which studies your dog is used for the answer is 'all of them'. Some of our funding comes in for discrete questions. For example, we recently released surveys centered around food allergies, and others on obesity in dogs (each of these had blog entries talking about the goals). Dogs that would be good for these studies (by being either high or low on the trait of interest) could have their processing supported by the funding for that project. But once any dog's DNA is processed, we can use that data for every question we hope to ask. In particular, this is one of the ways we can get at a lot of the basic science questions that are of most interest to me, but may not have an obvious application to human or veterinary medicine.
Generally we do have to match a dog's sample to a funding source to process the DNA as mentioned above. Sometimes this can take a long time, and there is no guarantee that every dog's sample will be used. This should be clear on our website and FAQ for members who join through that avenue.
However, we occasionally also have special events like the Somerville Dog Festival where we collect a couple dozen swabs, take physical measures, and get other data about the dogs. Samples from these events do not go through the same waiting list to be matched with funding but are immediately prioritized to be processed. This is one of the benefits of participating at the festival - your dog's sample is going through a different route than the norm.
When I look on the "personalized feedback" tab, I see a barcode but I don't see where it says Not Genotyped. Am I looking in the wrong place?
So am I reading correctly that we may not get breed DNA information back? Only medical/behavioral comparisons to a larger sample group, and maybe breed information if it's linked to behavioral/medical? (I hope that makes sense)
I have a 16?17? year old dog that I purposefully tested first, as I don't know how much longer she'll be around. All of my dogs are shelter mutts, so breed information is a guess at best. She was adopted full grown in Jan 2003 as a Tibetan Terrier mix, she had been treated for heart worms, roundworms and spayed. She's been in great health since until 2013 when she had a stroke/seizure? with normal bloodwork so they told me she probably has a brain tumor. She is still kicking around today, although the only veterinary care she receives at this point is regular visits to the chiropractor. I clean her teeth as best as possible at home since anesthesia is out of the question. She still seems able to see to some extent, but she is deaf to most low-normal range noises. She will have accidents inside occasionally, but is not incontinent. Anyway, the point of testing her first (for me) was to see if there was a breed link to her longevity & health. Is there a way we could request that info together, or is it the luck of the draw? Thanks!
Hi Brittney and friends, I received your Oct Pupdate email regarding the Embark Dog DNA Test results. Is this a separate genetic testing service or something that is connected to the study? As I could not log in to Embark with my study email and password. Can you clarify? Thank you! --Heidi & Cooper
Embark is a separate entity like Wisdom Panel. You pay them and they analyze your dog's DNA. However it goes way beyond Wisdom Panel, they give you personalized info on hundreds of genetic illnesses, coat color, etc. I believe it is also considered to be way more accurate than WP.
That said, it is also way more expensive. I think it's about $199 per dog.
"Kate, who said anything about guarantees and promises?....Nobody mentioned anything about rushing it either. But perhaps it could've been noted that it could take years or even noted that particular samples were going to take priority. "
People in this thread and others. And people have implied that these folks need to hurry up. And those things have been noted.
"We are all able to have our own thoughts, opinions and feelings."
Sure and some of those thoughts, opinions, and feelings are incorrect. You volunteered for a study. You didn't pay for a service. If you feel that you are owed something, or that you can tell these researchers how to do their job(see the person telling them to not accept any more samples) than your thoughts and feelings are borne from entitlement and you need to work on yourself.
Imagine going to work everyday and some volunteers who filled out a few surveys are constantly asking you to hurry up and work harder or accusing you of lying, etc etc. And they literally have no idea how your job works, what you do every day, what your policies are, your limitations, etc etc. But they sure have a lot of opinions!
I think some folks miss the point of this study. It is more for the general good of all dogs / humans, not as much for the individual dog. That being said, I'd love to see any insights into my individual dogs that they gather.
I've used Embark for both of my dogs, not to find out their breed but to see if they find any genetic health issues. It is more expensive but I do like all the information that they glean and that they share it to studies like this. (and a small benefit, our dogs also have Embark ID tags. that was a nice surprise. One more way to identify our dogs if they ever get lost)
Sally, you are in the right place. That is where you can see the status of your dog's sample. Currently that part of the webpage is under construction as we are working on providing our participants with more information.
Natalie, I hope your pup is doing well! We are not specifically a breed test, or vets giving back individual health information. We are a research group focusing on correlating canine behavior and genetics. Of course if there is anything interesting that is seen in your dogs results then you an certainly bring it up with your vet. Again, I hope all of your pups are doing well! :)
Heidi, as for the Pupdate regarding Embark, we are interested in comparing our results to theirs. If you send us your dogs information from Embark we will prioritize your dogs sample to be sequenced! Darwin's Dogs and Embark are two different things, we are just curious of your dogs results from Embark. It is
Kate and Car2ner, thank you clarifying and for your support!
I fully get the point of your research and I am not upset that about anything I have done or my participation. I am not at all coming from that perspective. I am just wondering how I will know if you are using my dogs DNA sample, if it worked correctly? If you do process it and get results from and you put in it my personalized feedback section what will it tell me? I see that you received it in August if I am reading the status correctly. Just popping in to get more information - not to complain:) For free, my expectations are low and I am happy to help with any dog research.
Hi Elise, thank you for your participation! Where you currently see the samples status (that section of the webpage is under construction) will tell you if your dogs sample is out for sequencing. Currently, some participants might see VHL (location of sequencing) for their samples status as we have sent out some for sequencing! That location may change and will not always be VHL depending upon sequencing locatons. As I mentioned, that section of the webpage is under construction as we are working on getting more detailed information out to our participants about where their dogs sample is at.
When a sample is processed and we get to the stage of reporting back to participants, we will upload results to individual profiles. We will be reporting back about your dogs behavior and genetics, but how that information will portrayed is something we are working on. We will be able to send you the raw data, but it will look like another language (which it pretty much is in genetics/bioinformatics terms). So far we are planning on interpreting the data for you and providing that information on your profile.
This is a great question, and maybe we will write a blog post in the near future about what those "data reports" for our participant will look like. Please remember though, that this reporting back stage is still quite a while away. We have a lot of work to do first with sending out samples, doing the computational work, interpreting the data and then getting it out to you. We are very excited to do so and just as eager as our participants! :)
Thank you for your support and interested in our research!
I was delighted and surprised to get a free pen out of the deal! ;) Neba, Lucy, and I are pleased and proud to be doing our bit for science! (Actually, Lucy was a bit skeeved out by the collecting sponge, but I'm sure she'd be pleased if she knew what science is.)
Can you recommend a retail DNA test? I'm not sure the old adage that "you get what you paid for" holds true in this instance. I have a rescue dog who was typed at the shelter, but as he grows I see very little of the characteristics of those breeds. I am willing to pay for the test, in addition to providing samples, if you want them for your studies. I just want to buy the most useful for our needs. Thank you.
Try Embark. They're decent and comprehensive - as an aside I'm sending one of my study dog's off to Embark, and he's apparently just had a DNA test from Darwin's mailed out. Let me know if you'd still like the Embark results for comparison purposes.
I'd second the recommendation for Embark. They query many times more SNPs (ancestry-informative DNA sequences) than any of their competitors, and are the only commercial test to provide you with their raw data (which can in turn be forwarded to Darwin's Dogs). Embark does cost more than their competition, but you get more information in return--health testing for hundreds of inherited diseases, maternal and (for males) paternal haplotyping, coefficient of inbreeding, a rundown of which alleles your dog is carrying for numerous physical traits, etc. They do often offer discounts around holidays through their website.
If Embark's just too expensive, Wisdom Panel is a decent second choice. My mutt's had both (a relative bought us a WP as a present, not realizing we'd already done an Embark), and the two tests agreed on 75% of her ancestry, with neither being able to completely unravel one projected great-grandparent, which was probably itself a mutt. Most shelter mutts are multi-mixes, and the truth is it will often prove impossible to confidently assign a breed origin to every last stretch of queried DNA. Some individuals are so highly mixed that no commercial test will be able to tell anything about their breed ancestry at all--while that outcome is uncommon, anyone paying for a test should be aware it could happen.
Both companies have good customer service in my experience, and both produce a reasonably snazzy-looking results report.
I was reading through this forum, curious if anything was mentioned about address updates, as I have just updated my dog's address and anything regarding the updating of a previously completed survey with new information and if that will affect anything.
I am horrified by many of the comments I am reading and feel completely embarrassed being human and of the same species as these stupid people and their ignorant self-entitled gimme gimme attitudes.
I signed up for this in order to DONATE MY DOG'S DNA TO THIS STUDY. I never saw where I was promised DNA results for her, let alone by any certain time. If I want that, I can get her tested at the vet's office or via a DNA kit that I purchase. My benefit from participating in this study is going to be the knowledge gained and disseminated (regarding diet, health, behavior, or whatever) from this study, that will benefit my dog in the future (or that of future dogs I may reside with).
I am just happy my dog was selected to receive a kit in the future and will be part of this. Why is it so hard for people to understand that this is not about you or you receiving something? This is a research study conducted to gain more knowledge about health/behavior/genetics/or other of our beloved pets. This knowledge could lead to better health of our pets, longer lives, or something. The knowledge gained from the study is the "reward"!
How I would love to connect with the right folks in genetics and seek funding to study human dna, specifically with the aim to prove that selective breeding could eliminate stupidity, entitlement, selfishness, small-mindedness, lack of common sense, and a whole host of other traits and benefit society. Not sure those things can be bred out of people lol, but intelligent conscious reproduction vs. randomly screwing whomever wherever for a good time, might somehow improve the quality or intelligence of the human species.
First off, thank you for the support of our research! We are certainly doing our best to get things moving along, which they are, but slowly. Kits are going out to eligible participants and we are now able to send out about 300-500 samples for sequencing when we have the grant money there. Also, we will be launching a new webpage, where owners can donate to get things moving even faster and help our research!
With the new webpage on the way, little things have been changing on this current page, such as the address step validation disappearing (yay). Please let us know if you have any questions regarding these changes!
Too bad you don't accept samples from overseas! :-) You would have more genetic variety!
Hi Maria, yes we would love to send internationally, but there are a few hurdles we'd need to get over to do so. We hope to in the future! Participants from overseas are still more than welcome to enroll their dog and participate in the behavioral surveys.
I agree Kate! I joined the site simple to help with the study. I love that mutts are getting some attention. I didn't even know the DNA tests were part of it when I completed the surveys. They are an added bonus. If I really wanted the information and quickly I'd pay the fee for the ones that sell it. I don't care how long it takes cause it's something I wouldn't have otherwise.
It's literally been years since I submitted DNA for my two dogs. I would think there would be something. I haven't had an email update. Is this still going on?
Hi Allison, we completely understand your eagerness and frustrations. On your dogs profile, you will see the link "personalized feedback" this will have a sample status for each dog. One of your dogs samples is about to go out for sequencing!
We are very sorry about the wait, but we have been working hard to determine the best techniques and methods in order to get you the most information about your dogs. We are now partnered with a new company that will assist in extracting and sequencing DNA so things can now proceed on in a more timely manner. With the new partnership, we are now comfortable with the advanced methods and techniques in order to start sending out hundred of samples. This is a new science, one that has never been done before, and quite expensive so there has been extensive planning that has gone into it.
The first information that we will be able to share with you once your dogs sample is sequenced, is breed ancestry (it will be uploaded to your profile). Then we begin the more intensive part of the project, trying to find correlations between behavior and genetics, which has never been done before.
We kindly ask for your patience and we promise to do a much better job of updating you. Many changes are going on here at Darwin's Dogs. We are excited to announce that we are launching a new webpage later this month, which will have much more information for participants and will be more user friendly.
Again, we apologize for the long wait, but new research like this cannot be rushed.